Author Topic: Here comes a new challenger?  (Read 3604 times)

mickael cador

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Here comes a new challenger?
« on: May 26, 2011, 10:43:05 am »
May 26, 2011, 10:43:05 am
hello team lumion
 What do you think LumenRT?
 Is it a serious competitor for you (more than TwinMotion)? which can be positive or negative differences with lumion. ???
 thank you in advance for your reply.


http://www.lumenrt.com/

Michael Betke

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Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2011, 11:27:03 am »
May 26, 2011, 11:27:03 am
There was a thread somewhere ago about LumenRT. We found out that the long waiting until the baking process is done isn't very RT'ish.

Another real-time tool which has been released for free is STUDIO GPU. :)
Haven't tried yet but looks well too concerning the website.

Time for Lumion3D SP2!!! ;)

mickael cador

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Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2011, 12:08:14 pm »
May 26, 2011, 12:08:14 pm
I installed studio gpu, but it does not work despite the update of my cards grapqhique ... |:(
 2x NVIDIA Quadro FX 3800
 pity it looks really interresting.
 and yes I am impatient to see the result of SP2 Lumion. ;)

Pete Stoppel

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Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2011, 12:56:48 pm »
May 26, 2011, 12:56:48 pm
e-on Software's LumenRT is a different app,it's more a collaboration tool used in a design process than a presentation tool.

Like mentioned above,it does take longer to process but once that is done you have a self contained product that you can share with a client without any 3rd party software needed they can navigate and explore the model/design.


See3D.be

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Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2011, 01:05:10 pm »
May 26, 2011, 01:05:10 pm
And with the preprocess it will not allow realtime changes...

Pete Stoppel

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Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2011, 01:15:34 pm »
May 26, 2011, 01:15:34 pm
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And with the preprocess it will not allow realtime changes...

That's correct, but then again, who lets their client touch a work in progress model?

The idea is to get a massing model, send to client who can walk around it see the lighting, details and approve. It's a Sketchup only tool at this point (I'm not sure if there are plans for integration into other modeling apps)
There are three presentation options, draft, preview and final. Draft is very fast to process and it would generally be used as an intial visualisation tool, preview is great for lighting and reflections then final is the longer process that could be used as a presentation solution.

Michael Betke

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Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2011, 01:17:10 pm »
May 26, 2011, 01:17:10 pm
My clients use it for decisionmaking too in theater mode and demand a version with moveable objects some time. :)

Don't know for others but this a big plus in the selling process for me.

cbcarch

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Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2011, 02:58:17 pm »
May 26, 2011, 02:58:17 pm
The challenge to ALL CG RT apps is lighting.

Cloud rendering solutions such as I-Ray / Reality Server with traditional raytracing apps like Max are catching up.

Lumen RT for SU is a good example of how a developer is listening and responding to the users' needs.

All the more reason for artificial lights in Lumion! (did I mention that already???!!!!) LOL

cheers  ::)

detbear

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Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2011, 03:18:11 pm »
May 26, 2011, 03:18:11 pm
I've watched Lumen RT for a long time now and that's the problem.  They must have put a bunch more time back into the development of the first version because it seems like forever since they unveiled it.

I haven't seen the water or if it's real time or still.


Pete Stoppel

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Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2011, 04:29:19 pm »
May 26, 2011, 04:29:19 pm
LumenRt has been a while in the making, I remember when they first mentioned it at Base camp in Boulder . Colorado, last year (see photo below) That's my model of the house over stream.  ;)

The water is moving (animated)

Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2011, 08:32:31 pm »
May 26, 2011, 08:32:31 pm
The lighting quality looks good. On the other hand it's not difficult to render lightmapped models. With quest3d we had lightmapped models lik that many years ago. We really don't want to go the lightmap route because it cuts off many possibilities. You can forget about big environments and complex models for example. We want to try how far we can get with a full real-time solution. The light maps render fast but they have really low resolution.

It's really a different program than Lumion. I tried some of the demo's and I expected more to be honest. If you render lightmaps you can get much better results than the demo. Hopefully we will be able to get better results than this for indoor visualization. Seems like this is more a direct competitor for LightUp.

Pete Stoppel

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Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2011, 11:04:22 pm »
May 26, 2011, 11:04:22 pm
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You can forget about big environments and complex models for example

I agree, there is a limitation there.


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Seems like this is more a direct competitor for LightUp.

I agree there also, I remember discussing this and even they (e-on) said they were not trying to compete with either Lumion or Twin-motion as they really are different creatures. Light Up is closest to LumenRT. I'd watch this product carefully as we all know the quality that e-on strives towards, like everything the first release may have a few glitches and issues which with the depth of e-on will be sorted out in updates and fixes.

I personally have LumenRT and Lumion and do not feel they compete at all, they are both used in a work-flow at different stages.

 

detbear

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Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2011, 11:22:29 pm »
May 26, 2011, 11:22:29 pm
I agree. 

I do however hope that Lumion brings a very important feature as fast as possible though....And that is the "stand-alone" viewing App for clients to use.

Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2011, 09:00:53 am »
May 27, 2011, 09:00:53 am
I believe Studio GPU is a tool for animation studios to speed up their rendering. The rendering times are bigger than Lumion's but the the output is intended for TV cartoons for example. In the past you needed a special 3D card.

You are correct in saying it's suited for a rendering pipeline. The idea is to do all the work in Maya for example and then use Studio GPU to put on the finishing touches for quick rendering. It's certainly not a tool to quickly render architecture movies. You could use it for this for architecture, obviously, but since their income comes from training and support only my guess is this won't be easy.

I think people should use multiple tools if they need to. We design Lumion for specific purposes with specific strengths. We're not competing with VRAY for example so when you need a realistic simulated lighting solution you should use that.

We will keep focussed on high quality output in the shortest amount of time. Maybe we'll expand on the real-time aspect of Lumion too. A stand-alone export function is an obvious one and we did consider this for v1.0 but we want to go much much further than that.

RAD

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Re: Here comes a new challenger?
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2011, 09:16:34 am »
May 28, 2011, 09:16:34 am
Those programs will not outclass Lumion.

I just see more nightmares for users from them.  |:( 
They are headed in the wrong direction - completely.